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Ripping blu-ray - how to keep Video Aspect Ratio ?

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Hi,

when I rip a blu-ray (with my custom profile below) VC converts it (display aspect ratio) from 16:9 to 4:3 - but why?


In Video Converter 1.5.0.10 I just made my own custom profile:

---- Output container informations ----
* Name: Mpeg2-TS
* File extension: ts

---- VIDEO track informations ----
Video stream will be encoded using these settings:
* codec: mpeg2video
* framerate: Same as source (if compatible)
* width: Same as source (if compatible)
* height: Same as source (if compatible)
* aspect ratio: Same as source (if compatible)

---- AUDIO tracks informations ----
Audio streams will be encoded using these settings:
* codec: ac3
* channel count: Same as source (if compatible)
* samplerate: Same as source (if compatible)Hz

---- SUBTITLE tracks informations ----
Subtitle streams will be encoded using these settings:
* Embed in video stream


After ripping the .ts file only had 1.88 GB and is 4:3 and only 720x576:

Info read with mediainfo 0.7.71:

General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name :
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 1.89 GiB
Duration : 1h 27mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 3 081 Kbps

Video
ID : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1h 27mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 541 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.256
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Closed
Stream size : 1.56 GiB (82%)

Audio
ID : 257 (0x101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1h 27mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 241 MiB (12%)

The film is in 16:9 format .. Widescreen (2,40:1), Letterbox , HD (1080p).

VC summary shows: "aspect ratio: Same as source (if compatible)" but the step 2 on the profile shows under video resolution "same as source" and video aspect ratio: "fit on destination".

1. Why will it be converted from 16:9, 1980x1080 to 4:3, 720x576 ?
2. What does "fit on destination" mean? I have no special "output device" (and also for this I never would change the format from 16:9 to 4:3)

Maybe when I set video aspect ratio to 16:9 it might work - but I want "same as source" - and this should be 16:9, or isn't it?

Thanks for helping.

PS: Funny - when I play the .ts file with VSO player it is 16:9 but the video only fills the widht with max 50 % of my 23" monitor. I can't get it bigger in full screen mode. Shouldn't it fill the whole monitor?

I have ripped another film - but the same data (16:9 format .. Widescreen (2,40:1), Letterbox , HD (1080p)) - with another blu-ray ripping software without special settings and I get:

Video
ID : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : N=12
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1h 41mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 11.2 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 30.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.180
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Open
Stream size : 7.90 GiB (91%)

When I play the video with VSO player the width is now 100 % of my monitor.

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Why are you using Mpeg2-TS ?
That is for transmitting digital TV and it can contain several "channels" of video but it is designed 1995 and has a lot of restrictions.

If you really need to use transport stream then use AVCHD or Blu-Ray.
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JJ wrote:Why are you using Mpeg2-TS ?
That is for transmitting digital TV and it can contain several "channels" of video but it is designed 1995 and has a lot of restrictions.

If you really need to use transport stream then use AVCHD or Blu-Ray.
Thanks a lot for the help.

I use mpeg-2 codec because the quality is better and the ripping time is much faster. I've compared h264 and mpeg2 many times. Specially with cartoon films e.g. Ice Age 4 (which is the problem above) I see the difference on the TV.

I also record all from TV in mpeg-2-TS (using a Linux receiver) and I want to stay on one format for archiving.

I'm using Acrok Video Converter Ultimate until yet - which works brilliant as above (but crashes with DVD's, etc). Finally I would prefer VSO (as one software) - which I use for DVDs - because the settings etc is much better against Acrok. But the major no-go not to use VSO with blu-rays is this problem above.

So any other idea why VSO can not handle this simple normal ripping above as I do with Acrok by default?

Thanks!

btw:

I'm just trying AVCHD by using file format MTS (AVCHD), video codec MPEG-2 Video, video resulution "same as source", video aspect ratio is disabled.

I'm definitely no expert in this format jungle but I didn't know that AVCHD supports MPEG-2 (no info about that on German wikipedia page). Also I'm confused that video aspect ratio is disable here but possible with mpeg-2 ts container and mpeg-2 codec (which runs into the troubles as above).

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Re: Ripping blu-ray - how to keep Video Aspect Ratio ?

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Hello dosibo51,

Please, can you provide your log file of inital conversion?
Like some Blu-ray structures can store videos (often for episode/bonuses) in Mpeg-2 480p/576P, I just want to see if it's not your case.
A Blu-ray video can hold H264 1080p/720p or Mpeg-2 480p/576p...

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In the meantime I've ripped Ice Age 4 blu-ray (not the 3D!) with

---- Output container informations ----
* Name: MTS (AVCHD)
* File extension: mts

---- VIDEO track informations ----
Video stream will be encoded using these settings:
* codec: mpeg2video
* framerate: Same as source (if compatible)
* width: Same as source (if compatible)
* height: Same as source (if compatible)
* aspect ratio: Same as source (if compatible)

---- AUDIO tracks informations ----
Audio streams will be encoded using these settings:
* codec: ac3
* channel count: Same as source (if compatible)
* samplerate: Same as source (if compatible)Hz

---- SUBTITLE tracks informations ----
Subtitle streams will be encoded using these settings:
* Embed in video stream

and got

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : Ice Age 4 - Main feature (default) angle.mts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 8.47 GiB
Duration : 1h 27mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 13.8 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1h 27mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 12.6 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.254
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:12
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Open
Stream size : 7.74 GiB (91%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1h 27mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -42ms
Stream size : 402 MiB (5%)
Language : German


mpeg2 with mts works correctly. Selected "same as source" where possible and got 16:9 and 1080p. VSO player works perfect with it.

I'll try to send you a log file from the mpeg with ts (not mts) as above later tonight.

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Dear cedric,

here is the log file from the inital request:

:std_log='C:\ProgramData\VSO\VSO Video Converter\1\Log\VSO Video Converter 1_mainlog_.20141119.231534.444.log'
:library=false
:app_name=vsoVideoConverter.exe
:app_version=1.5.0.10
:most_recent=first
:event_header='{time} {type}'
:LongDateFormat=yyyy"-"mm"-"dd
:ShortDateFormat=dd mmm
:LongTimeFormat=hh":"nn":"ss"."zzz
:ShortTimeFormat=hh":"nn":"ss
:status=stopped
:group_indent=4

23:15:34.344 ------------ *************vsoVideoConverter.exe:5772 Log session stop after 43 minute(s) 9 second(s) 409 millisecond(s)**************
21:13:09.674 Info Total converted files size: 1.89 Gb.
20:40:24.212 Info No size limit. Use of quality factor: VSO default
20:40:24.211 Info Number of core(s) used for encoding : 4
20:40:24.211 Info Number of core(s) used for decoding : 4
20:40:24.210 Info [ ] Use 2 pass encoding
20:40:24.210 Info [ ] Use best video quality settings
20:40:24.209 Info [ ] Use hardware encoding (if possible)
20:40:24.209 Info [ ] Use hardware decoding (if possible)
20:40:24.209 Info Max simultaneous conversions: 4
20:40:24.209 Group Advanced encoding options
21:13:09.646 Info video #1 - Processed video frames: 126232 (126232 frames encoded, 0 frames dropped, 0 frames duplicated)
20:40:24.574 ------------ +--> [audio #2 - ac3 audio, 48000Hz, 5.1 Ch., 384000 bps [de]]
+-[audio [deu] dts main audio 6 Ch., 48000 Hz, 768 Kbps]
+--> [video #1 - mpeg2video video, 720x576, yuv420p, 4x3, Pulldown: 23.98Fps -> 25.00Fps, 2600 Kbps [un]]
+-[video h264 1920x1080 16:9 yuv420p, 23.98 fps, 0 Kbps]
Output file: V:\Videos\Ice Age 4 - Main feature (default) angle.ts (Mpeg2-TS)
Input file: D:\BDMV\INDEX.BDMV
Video filters used:
- Output pixel format: YUV420P
- DeInterlace filter: FFmpeg
- Scale filter: linear (vso). Fit method: letterbox (Padding: top: 72, bottom: 72, left: 0, right: 0. Cropping: top: 0, bottom: 0, left: 0, right: 0)
20:40:24.574 Info Chapters to generate: 25
20:40:23.304 Group ******************** Ice Age 4 - Main feature (default) angle -> Ice Age 4 - Main feature (default) angle.ts ********************|GK_TITLESET|
20:40:23.271 Group Conversion to "Custom profiles Blu-ray Rip" started at 20:40:24: 1 sequence(s) to encode|GK_CONVERT_SESSION|
20:30:34.444 Info Found features
^^^Repeated 2 Times in 1 second(s) 440 millisecond(s)^^^
20:30:27.591 Info Build OK
20:30:26.894 Info Source is OK
20:30:25.781 Info Media loaded
20:30:00.301 ------------ ************************vsoVideoConverter.exe:5772 Log session start 2014-11-19 at 20:30:00.265*************************


When I use as profile
- file format (container): mpeg2-ts
- video codec: mpeg-2 video
- video resolution (same as source)
- ... video aspect ratio is set to "fit on destination" ...

1. What does "fit on destination" mean?

2. When you look at the final info (from "Save" / step 5) the text " * aspect ratio: Same as source (if compatible)" is there (instead of "fit on destination") - whatever is correct - selection and log should be 1:1.

3. When I use "mts (avhcd)" as container - the result is 16:9, 1080p - but with mpeg-2 TS container ".ts" I get 5:4 and 720x576. ???

I need the correct "mpeg-ts" against the "mts (avhcd)" container because I've just transfered the .mts file to my Linux receiver Xtrend_ET9200 - and the EMC tool can play the video but when I use the forward/backward jump (15 sec, 1 min, 5 min) then the receiver (EMC player) (latest version!) - hangs up. WIth "mpeg-ts" all works perfect.

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Quick glance on mpeg2-ts shows that mpg2 16:9 is supported only anamorphic. That means that amount of pixels is same but screen is wide. Also I did not find anything about mpeg2 supporting FullHD.

Is your TV-signal FullHD - not hardware but the stream that you receive? Or is it HD?
I suspect that it is HD and anamorphic.
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[quote="JJ"]Is your TV-signal FullHD - not hardware but the stream that you receive? Or is it HD?I suspect that it is HD and anamorphic.[/quote]

Hi JJ,

sorry for late reply but I was on holiday and had to re-install my PC from scratch - which has taken some time.

Please read the first entry of this thread!

When I rip a blu-ray (see first entry above!) VC converts it from1980x1080, 16:9 to 720x576, 4:3 - but why? (This happens with EVERY blu-ray - not a specific one. In this test it's an acutal action film!)

When I use "Acrok Video Converter Ultimate" I get (see results also above in the first entry!): 1920x1080, 16:9, mpeg-2, .ts

In "Acrok Video Converter Ultimate" I am doing this (see screen shots).

Select HD MPEG-ts:

[attachment=2]Acrok_1.png[/attachment]

See format settings (mpeg2video, original resolution):

[attachment=1]Acrok_2.png[/attachment]

Main track is pre-selected ... press CONVERT

[attachment=0]Acrok_3.png[/attachment]

That's it ... finally I get/got a .ts file, mpeg-2, 16:9, 1980x1080 (see mediainfo details in first entry above) from the blu-ray about 7,31 GB.

[b]How can I get the same results in Video Converter (or Blu-Ray converter - just bought it also)? What must I do - how must my profile be (and what is wrong on my profile - see first entry above)?[/b]

Thanks a lot!
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One question; why are you "ripping" to transport stream? That format is designed for broadcasting TV channels.
Did you try to select any of the predefined HD settings?
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JJ wrote:One question; why are you "ripping" to transport stream? That format is designed for broadcasting TV channels.
Let me explain:

I started ripping videos from blu-rays last summer because my PS3 is very loud (it's the first release). I've looked how to rip the files, as mpeg-4, h.264 and mpeg-2. At the same time I'd probems with Video Converter to rip a blu-ray - didn't detect the 2nd part of a film on the blu-ray. I had to give the BR's back (no time waiting for a bug fix) and so I looked around and found & tested Acrok Video Converter.

I tested around with VSO + Acrok about the quality, size + ripping time of the formats. And on cartoon films I saw the difference that mpeg-2 is much better (I also noticed that on other films).

The Linux receiver ET8500 (like the Dreambox) are using .ts + mpeg-2 for recording from TV. No fast or powerful processors are needed (and don't really exist for the Linux receiver).

So for me the final format to which I want to rip my blu-rays is .ts + mpeg-2.

I also tested the other formats (mpeg-4, h264) on the receiver and found out that playing faster & jumping forwards & backwards hangs every time - but not with .ts + mpeg-2 (also found these problems in misc. Linux receiver forums).

I was only able to produce .ts + mpeg-2 files with Acrok without any problems. It plays everywhere. And if I want to use lower quality & less space I can convert from this to h264 and my kids can look the films on their ipad on holiday. ;-)

I tried all to generate .ts + mpeg-2 with VSO - but as you can see it doesn't work.
JJ wrote:Did you try to select any of the predefined HD settings?
Yes - then I noticed the problems above.

VSO Media Player plays the .ts + mpeg-2 videos without any problems. :-)

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OK, I really tried to find a clear specification on TS but there is none available, just lot of technical documents.
Basically:
TS format was designed 1995 and allows to use video formats that were known at that time, mostly mpeg2.
DVD uses modified mpeg2 (.VOB and .IFO inside .TS folder) and BluRay uses modified mpeg2 BDAV format and extension should be m2ts when it is used.

I suspect that other program you used is producing BDAV but with .TS stream - making it non-standard. Most software players can play that anyway, but strict hardware players can not.

Totally another issue is if you convert to DVD resolutions; those resolutions support 16:9 ONLY anamorphic. Again, some software might convert to DVD resolution 16:9 without anamorphic conversion, again non-standard stream.
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I'm not an expert regarding this.

I started recording from TV on Linux based receiver Xtrend_ET9200 (not ET8500 as above - however no difference - same images), like Dreambox and many others.

I just went deeper into it and looked into some .ts files recorded on my receiver from TV (all were 16:9) transfered to my PC.

ts / mpeg2 is only used for 720x576
ts /AVC (H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) is used for 1280x720 and 1920x1080

Here is an example (info from mediainfo) from the German channel "n-TV":

-----------------------------------------------------------
General
ID : 1089 (0x441)
Complete name : n-tv - Wenn das Universum untergeht.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 1.67 GiB
Duration : 52mn 58s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 4 521 Kbps

Video
ID : 169 (0xA9)
Menu ID : 12090 (0x2F3A)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 52mn 58s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 104 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 15.0 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.396
Time code of first frame : 22:23:22:02
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Open
Stream size : 1.52 GiB (91%)
-----------------------------------------------------------

Here is an example from the German channel "ZDFinfo HD":

-----------------------------------------------------------
General
ID : 1010 (0x3F2)
Complete name : ZDFinfo HD - ZDF-History.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 6.13 GiB
Duration : 1h 4mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 13.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 6710 (0x1A36)
Menu ID : 11170 (0x2BA2)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 6 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=4, N=32
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 4mn
Bit rate : 11.7 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.255
Stream size : 5.33 GiB (87%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Color range : Limited
-----------------------------------------------------------

Here is an example from the Austrian channel "ServusTV HD":

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General
ID : 1007 (0x3EF)
Complete name : ServusTV HD Oesterreich - 80 Waves.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 4.92 GiB
Duration : 1h 9mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 10.1 Mbps

Video
ID : 3583 (0xDFF)
Menu ID : 4913 (0x1331)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 9mn
Bit rate : 8 800 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.170
Stream size : 4.30 GiB (87%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Color range : Limited
-----------------------------------------------------------

Is it possible that VSO Converter or Blu-Ray Converter can produce .ts files with AVC from blu-rays - as all the Linux receiver are doing as above (by default!)?

What I finally want is:
- no hangs during forward/backward when I look the ripped film on the TV playing from the receiver.
- "in-motion unsharpness" - in h264. mpeg-2 was much better. Please note that I did "blind" tests.
- ripping into mpeg-2 was also much faster as h264

With the "other ripping tool" by using .ts/mpeg-2/1920x1080 - all works perfect and quality is great. Ripping time is more or less 1:1.

I'll try to rip & test blu-rays again and will write back here after the test.

Thanks a lot!

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I googled that player and it seems that it supports better formats than .ts:
  • Multimedia Player
    The variety of media file formats such as
    MP3, MP4, AVI and MKV can be played
    through built-in CODECs.
So try converting to MP4 with full resolution and copy the result to your player. Might be a lot easier and most likely saves space too!
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