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BURNING/PLAYBACK ISSUES, DVD media Guide -READ THIS FIRST

Post by Cougar_II » Mon May 14, 2007 6:16 pm

Hi there,

Most playback issues on your DVD Player can be related to most/all of these:

1- Cheap disc Quality or dusty lens(use cleaning disc) or cheap or old used burner.
2- Burned too fast
3- Burned too close to the edge of the media
4- Use DVD-R media on older DVD Players or use DVD+R and booktype them to DVD-ROM

5- Do not stick labels on your media

A) Use quality media:

- Taiyo Yuden (Media ID: TYGx, YUDENT)
- Verbatim (Media ID: MCC, MKM)
- Maxell Made In Japan (Media ID: MXLRG0x)

One of the worse media on the market, if not the worse, are made by CMC Magnetics Inc.

Media ID: CMC Mag.

Keep away from Memorex media, lots of us will call those MemoSux :)

I also read someone call them LandFill, it says it all !

Here are 2 good sites, to learn about media quality, and what media id to look for:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

NEW

Why are Verbatim so expensive ?
Why does everyone say Verbatim media are so good ?
Are Verbatim media really 1st class quality media ?

The answer is YES, Verbatim media are worth every $$$ and are 1st class real good quality media.

See for yourself:

http://www.verbatim-europe.co.uk/en_1/a ... _1120.html


B) Burning too fast, may cause playback issues:

If you have cheap disc ( also called media by the support team ), several of us will suggest not to burn those higher than x2.0

If you use quality media, some of us will suggest burning at x4.0 max to prevent playback issues.

- Skipping, Freezing etc...

Some people will say they have success burning at x8.0, and they are right.

But keep in mind, if you are going to burn at x8.0, make sure you have lots of free memory,
and use quality media like listed above.

- Stop all background tasks, Antivirus software, Anti Spyware software
- All those little software that you see on your system taskbar

I don't think anyone will suggest burning higher than x8.0, even if using new 16x media.

Some will argue they burn at 16x successfully, but several other users has proven with PIF/PIE scanning that the end results are poor quality burns.

I have read a few times, people suggesting burning at half the speed of the media certified speed:

- Burn 16x media at x8.0 max
- Burn 8x media at x4.0 max
- Burn 4x media at x2.0 max

This is a rule I follow myself (Personal Choice)

If you see this(for example):
Info BURN: Finalization Time 00:00:26 - Total completion time 00:11:50
Info BURN: Write finished in 00:11:24 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 4.09
Info BURN: Lead-in burning time (mS) 14588
Info BURN: Write started 1721760 sectors to write
Info BURN: Init success: DVD-R SAO
Info BURN: Writing speed requested x8.0, effective x8.0

Your burning speed is set too high for the used Media ID. Reduce burning speed to a value lower as what the Avg. value shows.


C) Here's a few quotes I picked up from AfterDawn:

- Set target size to 4300 (Custom Size in DVDShrink) to avoid further failures towards the end of the movie.

- Poor quality disc will not burn right up to the edge.

- Many DVD blank discs have uneven dye around the outer edge So we don't want to burn that far.


D) I have read several times, that older DVD Player will prefer DVD-R media.

- You can also use DVD+R and booktype them to DVD-ROM.

- Not all DVD burners can do this, so read your manual.


E) I have read several times, that people have having issues, after sticking labels on their media.

- It makes them unstable, and will cause playback issues, if they play at all.


F) A little tip that several of us will suggest, always use the latest firmware on your DVD burner
and use the latest version of the software.

- Not sure what DVD burner you have ?

- Not sure what firmware revision is installed on it ?

- Not sure what media it can write to ?

- Use tools like VSO Inspector v1.4.x or DVDInfoPro to get all these information

http://www.firmwarehq.com/
http://www.touslesdrivers.com/

Are good places to start to look for firmware.

G) In VSO CopyToDVD and VSO ConvertXtoDVD, there is setting to prefer burning Session At Once on DVD-R Media.

This will help users with burning issues, while burning in Packet Writing mode.
5/12/2007 8:20:36 PM info Init success: DVD-R packet writing
In VSO ConvertXtoDVD, under the Burn Tab, you can find this:
[X] Prefer SAO for DVD-R
In VSO CopyToDVD, in the settings, in the Writing Devices Tab:
[X] DVD-R SAO first

H) You have installed your new IDE burner yourself ?

Do you have an old 40 wires (40 pins connector) IDE cable, or you have the faster speed support 80 wires (40 pins connector) IDE cable ? (Yes, there's 2 wires for each pins, you can see the difference just by looking at the ribbon cable).

Some people had burning issues, and it was caused by using the older 40 wires IDE cable. The new burners support much faster speeds (DMA2/DMA3/DMA4 Speeds) and require the 80 wires cable to support those speeds.


I) You have installed your new IDE burner yourself ?

Make sure 1 device is set Master and one device set to Slave.
Or have both set to "Cable Select"

Dell Computers prefers "Cable Select", I personally had some issues when manually settings things to Master/Slave myself.


J) You DVD will not play, it will give you errors like "Wrong Region" etc...

Do you see this in your log ?
15-11-2007 12:56:39 info NTSC 29.97 FPS output format set automatically
or this
15-11-2007 11:48:16 info PAL 25 FPS output format set automatically
In the settings, use the needed setting, based on where you live.
Change the Automatic to NTSC or PAL.
Having a video automaticly converted to PAL when you need NTSC will cause you issued.


K) Several people are having issues with DVD-RW media.

Lots of DVD player will not like those DVD-RW at all.

Stick with DVD+RW and most problems should go away.

I personally own FujiFilm (x2.4) and Verbatim (x4.0) DVD+RW and they are providing me 100% still.


L) Upper & Lower filters (Corrupted) may be causing several issues on your system.

Please see this well documented thread on the subject:

http://www.cdr-zone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4719

There is a Filter Scanner and removal tools there, to remove those filters.

Filter Detection and Removal Tool 4.6:

http://www.cdr-zone.com/forum/download.php?id=1123

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If you follow these rules, you should have success !!!

Also, you can read the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) on the VSO Website:

http://www.vso-software.fr/faq.php
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Post by nasher » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:56 pm

thanx for your help all working good now

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Post by jvidal » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:26 am

Hi, I built a little db with the brands I have used. Here it is:

Brand Type Code Manufacturer
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ESN -R = TYG02, Taiyo Yuden
MasterG -R = TYG02, Taiyo Yuden
UL Tran -R = TYG02, Taiyo Yuden
Zykon -R = TYG02, Taiyo Yuden
Melody -R = CMC Mag, CMC Magnetics
MasterG +R = MCC, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
SEKAI -R = MCC, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
Verbatim -R = MCC, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
PINNACLE -R = ONIDTECH, UL Tran
BenQ -R = SONY08D1, Sony Recording Media Co.
SONY -R = SONY16D1, Sony Recording Media Co.
LG -R = LGE08, LG Electronics Inc.
SONY +RW = RICOHJPN, Ricoh Co. Ltd.
Maxell +RW = RITEK, Ritek Corp.
Imation -R = MBI 01RG40, Moser Baer India Ltd.

I had bad results only with the Pinnacle Discs (rated at 4X).Not readable, even had problems reading it on the PC with my DVD, only the DVDRW can read them.

bye!
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Post by jazs825 » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:13 pm

Stay away from the JVC disks also. The ones that I prefer are sony dvd's.

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Post by cbminfo » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:01 pm

But I'm sure Nero doesn't want to hear that..

But I do have a minor gripe, assuming changing the write speed from Max down to 8x doesn't fix things.

I'm using Maxell 16x DVD's on a NEW lightscribe DVD SuperMulti. My last 2 writes didn't go very well. I upgraded to the new convert.
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Version is up to date
User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
Version 2.2.3.258
ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\ConvertXtoDVD\ConvertXtoDvd.exe"
OS : Microsoft Vista Personal (Build 6000)
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Didn't have this problem with previous version..
I combine AVI clips of 100 megs or more into a DVD with the convert menu maker.
yesterdays, the 2nd clip popped up when running the dvd, with 'can not play' used the dvd player menu and jumped past that clip. Rest of the DVD worked.
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Same problem today, but it wouldn't play the 1st clip.
On further exam, the 1st clip was a PAL clip. I don't know what the 2nd clip on the other dvd was.
hmmmm. I still have the convert logs..
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Aha, both were PAL. convert made no conversion, and just wrote tehse 2 as PAL...
Never mind. I hope this means I can still record at Max..
I know where the auto/pal/ntsc switch is. No more Auto for me..

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Post by ckhouston » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:22 am

An excellent post cougar-ii !

Burning is very CPU intensive and may be a problem for those with marginal systems. It is very important that they follow your advice to stop backgrond tasks. Else one may suddenly use the CPU without the user's knowledge, and, if it happens at some time when a memory buffer is almost depleted, a momentary fault may be written on the disc that can cause a problem during playback.

In addition to the programs you mentioned, they may to need stop any screensaver and disconnect from the internet if possible.

Many PCs were marginal when PC video programs first became available. So it wasn't unusual for some to have to go into Task Manager and stop most nonessential processes. That's usually not necessary now, but you never know when one of them will query the system or try to get an internet connection.

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Post by efex172 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:47 pm

Instead of hampering people to turn everything off....(Lower the brightness on your monitor as the radiation effects the burn aswell) :lol:

Why don`t they update the burn software with a buffer under-run feature...

whats that, it`ll be in version 3 ...wicked :wink:

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Re: Burning/Playback Issues DVD media Guide *Read This Firs

Post by golfnut » Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:23 am

cougar_ii wrote:Hi there,


Keep away from Memorex media, lots of us will call those MemoSux :)

I also read someone call them LandFill, it says it all !

Come On, Memorex are always on sale!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by JJ » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:53 am

In addition to the programs you mentioned, they may to need stop any screensaver and disconnect from the internet if possible.
This is actually VERY important.
Current Windows screensavers are using HUGE amount of CPU and can cause all kinds of problems.
One additional thing - turn off powersavings. They should not kick in when system is active but they still do.
Hard to convert when system turns harddrive off or goes to hibernation...

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Post by efex172 » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:38 pm

back again as got a email about this thread..
Burning is very CPU intensive
Mmm while doing the one burn test on the Pioneer 112D with VSO`s burn engine on my P4 3.2Ghz processor it used about 1% of the CPU load...
I`m not sure how other CPU`s react tho...It`s usually if you have a USB drive that the CPU load is high.
There's an old android saying which I feel is particularly relevant to this situation. It goes '00101010110100101010011110' which, roughly translated, means 'Don't stand around jabbering when your life is in danger.. Kryten, Red Dwarf
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Post by xohshitztonysbackx » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:54 pm

Hm...

I use a Memorex DVD+R type and it only skips for 3 secs and thats it.

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Post by Cougar_II » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:01 pm

xohshitztonysbackx wrote:Hm...

I use a Memorex DVD+R type and it only skips for 3 secs and thats it.
Hey, I bought some cheap condoms, and there was just 1 hole in it :shock:
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Post by Tbolt » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:36 pm

Hey, I bought some expensive software, and it was full of holes :shock:

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Post by VanessaJames » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:19 am

omg.. touche' tbolt. I'm waiting myself for some of the bugs to be fixed

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Re: Burning/Playback Issues DVD media Guide *Read This Firs

Post by nafsusekale » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:06 pm

golfnut wrote:
cougar_ii wrote:Hi there,


Keep away from Memorex media, lots of us will call those MemoSux :)

I also read someone call them LandFill, it says it all !

Come On, Memorex are always on sale!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
indeed :D

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Post by zinjo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:14 pm

I never use the same software for burning as I do for encoding.

I like to encode to VTS & VOB files and then use software like Nero to burn the actual dvd.

Essentially I like to stick to a software's strengths whenever possible. ConvertX is a superior encoder, but if I have to do this that and the other thing just to burn a good DVD, I'll use another software.

The irony is that Nero is a crappy encoder, but a great burner... :roll:

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Post by admin » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:18 pm

well that's like you would prefer to use 2 cars, one to go forward, and one for reverse....
I still don't recommand you to use different software, at least till it works...

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Post by zinjo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:43 pm

admin wrote:well that's like you would prefer to use 2 cars, one to go forward, and one for reverse....
I still don't recommand you to use different software, at least till it works...
More like, I use a race car on a track and a 4x4 in the mountains. I wouldn't find benefit in taking a race car in the mountains and vice versa.

I am not advocating everyone do what I do, but that is a personal preference thing as opposed to a commentary on how well ConverX burns DVDs.

I also won't by and "all-in-one" printer for the same reasons...

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Post by JoeB » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:12 pm

zinjo wrote:
admin wrote:well that's like you would prefer to use 2 cars, one to go forward, and one for reverse....
I still don't recommand you to use different software, at least till it works...
More like, I use a race car on a track and a 4x4 in the mountains. I wouldn't find benefit in taking a race car in the mountains and vice versa.

I am not advocating everyone do what I do, but that is a personal preference thing as opposed to a commentary on how well ConverX burns DVDs.

I also won't by and "all-in-one" printer for the same reasons...
Starting by saying that I use v.2.2.3.258 of ConvertX, I have used it to burn every movie I've converted with Convertx. That's over 120 of them when you include duplicate copies, about 20 of them on Ritek at the beginning, the rest on Taiyo Yuden since then. It has burned every one flawlessly except one last July on a Ritek disc, and a disc scan showed a flaw in the disc.

If v.3 has burner issues, then they would have to have made some changes to the burner part of the software, and I'm not aware that they did so.

Assuming it's the same burner software in v.3 as in v.2, and if I can get 100% burns over almost a year and well over 100 discs, then that indicates to me that people having burning issues are having them because of either media used, improper burning speed, improper setting in ConvertX for DVD-R, improper system data transfer mode settings, issues with their hardware burner and firmware, other system issues, or some combination of any or all of those items.

That's JMHO, but I'd bet the vast majority of users of ConverX don't have burning issues - this forum just hears from the small minority which, as I've opined, likely have one of the above issues. And most of them turn out to be media or firmware related.

On the other hand, I'm prepared to accept that there were coding changes between v.2 and v.3 if so advised, but I don't recall hearing anything about that.

Regards,

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Post by lapinou » Fri May 16, 2008 6:47 pm

FYI : the burning SDK has been updated in convertxtodvd 3.0.0.15+
we have tested all week without abnormal issues , so if you have real cases please give us the details

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